[QUOTE=Joe / APP Team;905733]Kampkand, did you make sure the cover/support plate isn’t warped or damaged and evenly tightened when mounted to the tub, check to make sure the magnets in the rotor didn’t get dislodged, and make sure the RPS sensor is properly installed and secured to the stator.
Make sure the mounting bolt is installed and seated seated tightly, then check the wiring between the sensor and the control board for any twists, tweaks, kinks or frayed marks/areas, or loose, corroded connections at both the sensor and the control board. .[/QUOTE]
Hi Joe thanks for the reply.
The magnets are not damaged or dislodged, there was however lots of carbon dust on the inside of the cover. I cleaned that all up and checked all the connections on the rotor all seemed to look good. I even removed the sensor from the rotor and reinstalled it.
I did notice when I put the rotor cover back on, that the bolt is as tight as I can get it, but there is still movement on the cover. Not sure if that is normal.
I did check the wires, mostly where the top privets they had a bit of wear on them, but the insulation was not broken. Tomorrow I’m going to do a contennuity test on the wires.
There isn’t any corrosion on the connectors.
As far as I can tell, the cover/support plate is not warped and is evenly tightened. I did notice at first that it was not seating properly after the water drained and the tub was not floating anymore. I took it apart and put a bit of lubricant on it and that seemed to help.
So I did the C0 test twice and it passed both times. I also did a manual spin test and it spun no problem. So I thought I would try a load of laundry and when it gets to the wash cycle it try’s to turn the rotor and it’s all jerky and then the f51 code comes.
[QUOTE=Kampkand;905736]Hi Joe thanks for the reply.
The magnets are not damaged or dislodged, there was however lots of carbon dust on the inside of the cover. I cleaned that all up and checked all the connections on the rotor all seemed to look good. I even removed the sensor from the rotor and reinstalled it.
I did notice when I put the rotor cover back on, that the bolt is as tight as I can get it, but there is still movement on the cover. Not sure if that is normal.
I did check the wires, mostly where the top privets they had a bit of wear on them, but the insulation was not broken. Tomorrow I’m going to do a contennuity test on the wires.
There isn’t any corrosion on the connectors.
As far as I can tell, the cover/support plate is not warped and is evenly tightened. I did notice at first that it was not seating properly after the water drained and the tub was not floating anymore. I took it apart and put a bit of lubricant on it and that seemed to help.
So I did the C0 test twice and it passed both times. I also did a manual spin test and it spun no problem. So I thought I would try a load of laundry and when it gets to the wash cycle it try’s to turn the rotor and it’s all jerky and then the f51 code comes.
I really don’t understand what’s going on.[/QUOTE]
Kampkand, Sounds like you’ve done everything correctly. now the problem has moved to the agitation cycle. So now you’ll need to check the drive hub on the tub and drive shaft, make sure there aren’t any burrs or rounded edges, distortion on the “teeth”. Also check and make sure the tub “floats” it should rise approximately 3/8 of an inch, in order to clear the drive hub and agitate. If or when there is a “drag” on the motor, the control can flash the F51 code. If the control board doesn’t see the proper data from the sensor, in the proper amount of time, it can cause an error code.
[QUOTE=Joe / APP Team;905757]Kampkand, Sounds like you’ve done everything correctly. now the problem has moved to the agitation cycle. So now you’ll need to check the drive hub on the tub and drive shaft, make sure there aren’t any burrs or rounded edges, distortion on the “teeth”. Also check and make sure the tub “floats” it should rise approximately 3/8 of an inch, in order to clear the drive hub and agitate. If or when there is a “drag” on the motor, the control can flash the F51 code. If the control board doesn’t see the proper data from the sensor, in the proper amount of time, it can cause an error code.[/QUOTE]
Joe, I took the hub apart and looked at it. It didn’t seem to be distorted but looked a bit rounded on the part that you screw to the tub. I did notice that there is a bit of play on the piece that goes onto the motor shaft. I put it all back together and stated a load and the tub is defiantly floating and disengaging, but it still isn’t working correctly. I’m still getting the F51 error.
[QUOTE=Kampkand;905762]Joe, I took the hub apart and looked at it. It didn’t seem to be distorted but looked a bit rounded on the part that you screw to the tub. I did notice that there is a bit of play on the piece that goes onto the motor shaft. I put it all back together and stated a load and the tub is defiantly floating and disengaging, but it still isn’t working correctly. I’m still getting the F51 error.
Kampkand, Yes, it does sound like something Is slipping. How much play is in the inner hub on the drive shaft ? Did you notice any white or gray shavings in the tub or on the splines of the drive shaft, when you tore it down to replace the shaft and bearings ? It sounds like the hubs aren’t meshing properly and slipping.
[QUOTE=Joe / APP Team;905770]Kampkand, Yes, it does sound like something Is slipping. How much play is in the inner hub on the drive shaft ? Did you notice any white or gray shavings in the tub or on the splines of the drive shaft, when you tore it down to replace the shaft and bearings ? It sounds like the hubs aren’t meshing properly and slipping.[/QUOTE]
So when I took it apart the first time, the hub was full of slimy soap. I didn’t notice any shavings. The play is maybe 1/16", looking at it i wouldn’t say it could slip. I guess once you add all the weight…
So I guess if it isn’t slipping on the hub, it would be slipping on the rotor cover. That seemed to be tight though.
[QUOTE=Kampkand;905773]So when I took it apart the first time, the hub was full of slimy soap. I didn’t notice any shavings. The play is maybe 1/16", looking at it i wouldn’t say it could slip. I guess once you add all the weight…
So I guess if it isn’t slipping on the hub, it would be slipping on the rotor cover. That seemed to be tight though.
[QUOTE=Joe / APP Team;905803]Kampkand, Don’t see anything to excessive or too surprising. But we do know that something is “slipping” by the sound and view from the video.
With the new shaft and bearings, and the checks at the sensor and wiring, all being Ok, you may want to consider a new drive hub kit.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Joe, I did order one of those yesterday, just waiting for it to arrive. I will let you know if it fixes the problem.
[QUOTE=Kampkand;905806]Thanks Joe, I did order one of those yesterday, just waiting for it to arrive. I will let you know if it fixes the problem.[/QUOTE]
Kampkand, Great !! appreciate it .
Yes, Please let us know what happens. Thanks again
[QUOTE=Joe / APP Team;905816]Kampkand, Great !! appreciate it .
Yes, Please let us know what happens. Thanks again[/QUOTE]
Joe, I received the hub kit today, and it was a lot tighter when I installed it. however I’m still getting F51. It doesn’t slip anymore, but it is still doing the jerking when it’s trying to agitate the load.
I’m wondering now if it is the sensor, although the resistances are within the range specified on the service sheet.
[QUOTE=Kampkand;905908]Joe, I received the hub kit today, and it was a lot tighter when I installed it. however I’m still getting F51. It doesn’t slip anymore, but it is still doing the jerking when it’s trying to agitate the load.
I’m wondering now if it is the sensor, although the resistances are within the range specified on the service sheet.
here’s another video of what it’s doing, it won’t run very long before it codes. https://www.dropbox.com/s/luwxwcvsndcpsuj/IMG_1459.MOV?dl=0[/QUOTE]
Kampkand, That’s a very likely possibility. You’ve checked or repaired everything else. it’s a “sensitive” part and doesn’t take much for it to malfunction. You would want to consider the AP4327312
that way you get a new wire harness, sensor and cover. Make sure you install all the parts. That way you have checked cleaned and repaired the drive system, and it should be quite awhile before you need anything else.
[QUOTE=Joe / APP Team;905942]Kampkand, That’s a very likely possibility. You’ve checked or repaired everything else. it’s a “sensitive” part and doesn’t take much for it to malfunction. You would want to consider the AP4327312
that way you get a new wire harness, sensor and cover. Make sure you install all the parts. That way you have checked cleaned and repaired the drive system, and it should be quite awhile before you need anything else.[/QUOTE]
Ok thanks Joe, I have ordered that kit and will let you know what happens.
Hey Joe, sorry I have been away for the last few days. I have installed the new parts and I can wash again, however it is limited to very small quantities of clothes. If I put too much in I get the F51 error code again. I’m thinking now that it’s probably the rotor that is giving me grief now.
At this point I think I’m going to buy a new one, as the rotor is another $230.
[QUOTE=Kampkand;906171]Hey Joe, sorry I have been away for the last few days. I have installed the new parts and I can wash again, however it is limited to very small quantities of clothes. If I put too much in I get the F51 error code again. I’m thinking now that it’s probably the rotor that is giving me grief now.
At this point I think I’m going to buy a new one, as the rotor is another $230.
Thanks again for all your help[/QUOTE]
Kampkand, Sometimes that can happen, fortunately not very often. Was pretty sure after all the checks and rechecks you made the washer would be up and running. Sorry it didn’t work out. Good Luck !!!
After taking agitator and tub out there was a small rag in the bottom of the washer. Cleaned all equipment and put back together. Still had the same error at either 26 minutes or 15 minutes. Troubleshooted for a while, putting machine into manual and going through each cycle, intermittently would kick out at the agitation cycle. Ended up watching a video on changing the rps sensor on the bottom of the machine and whilst taking apart, the first two bolts I took off were completely loose. Giving it a shot, I went no further, tightened the bolts and haven’t had an issue since. Works like new and didn’t have to buy any parts. Thinking those loose bolts may have been setting the sensor off thinking it was uneven load. All good now. Back to washing blankets and comforters.
[QUOTE=Kylew;907640]After taking agitator and tub out there was a small rag in the bottom of the washer. Cleaned all equipment and put back together. Still had the same error at either 26 minutes or 15 minutes. Troubleshooted for a while, putting machine into manual and going through each cycle, intermittently would kick out at the agitation cycle. Ended up watching a video on changing the rps sensor on the bottom of the machine and whilst taking apart, the first two bolts I took off were completely loose. Giving it a shot, I went no further, tightened the bolts and haven’t had an issue since. Works like new and didn’t have to buy any parts. Thinking those loose bolts may have been setting the sensor off thinking it was uneven load. All good now. Back to washing blankets and comforters.[/QUOTE]
Kylew, GREAT !!! We’re glad to know you’re machine is up and running. We had a feeling you would find the problem and have it repaired in no time. Your update information should be helpful to those that read the repair forum when trying to repair their “Cabrio” style washer. Thanks Again,
Hi Everyone I have an issue with Maytag bravos xl washer with an f51 error.I did replaced RPS and still getting this error.When washer on spinning cycle I noticed vibration sounds like it shifting every 5 seconds .
Hi Everyone I have an issue with Maytag bravos xl washer with an f51 error.I did replaced RPS and still getting this error.When washer on spinning cycle I noticed vibration sounds like it shifting every 5 seconds .
