I found once I had the opportunity to clear the F51 code by removing the rotor cover, etc, that there was a very fine baby powder like black powder in the rotor cover and on the rotor motor (or whatever that thing is with all the copper wires and the wonderful computer stuff. The tub seems to be floating correctly but still have the scrubbing. The teeth on when I took the agitator cover off, Part number: AP3892170, don’t appear to have any wear on them as you described to look for. Guessing I am going to have to call someone…UGH! Any advice?
[QUOTE=klcannon67;852441]I found once I had the opportunity to clear the F51 code by removing the rotor cover, etc, that there was a very fine baby powder like black powder in the rotor cover and on the rotor motor (or whatever that thing is with all the copper wires and the wonderful computer stuff. The tub seems to be floating correctly but still have the scrubbing. The teeth on when I took the agitator cover off, Part number: AP3892170, don’t appear to have any wear on them as you described to look for. Guessing I am going to have to call someone…UGH! Any advice?[/QUOTE]
The black powdery substance is a bit worrisome, a good indication that the shaft or bearings are worn, or something is out of alignment. But then, there should also be water marks or moisture inside the rotor. You’re probably correct, it may be best to get someone in to look at it. but let us know what they find, that way we have a reference logged in the system for future posts. Thanks
kept getting F-51 code on maytag bravo 2013 washer. bottom line, after trying everything else I found that the bolt holding the motor cover was loose( you need a large allen wrench) . I tightened it and the washer now works great.
we heard a loud bang from the tub when it spun before the F-51 code. it was the tub banging around because it was loose on bottom. Glad it was a quick inexpensive fix, as I haven’t the talent for this sort of thing.
[QUOTE=Hardychas;874386]kept getting F-51 code on maytag bravo 2013 washer. bottom line, after trying everything else I found that the bolt holding the motor cover was loose( you need a large allen wrench) . I tightened it and the washer now works great.
we heard a loud bang from the tub when it spun before the F-51 code. it was the tub banging around because it was loose on bottom. Glad it was a quick inexpensive fix, as I haven’t the talent for this sort of thing.[/QUOTE]
Hardychas, Great, glad to hear you repaired your washer. Apparently, you do have the talent for this sort of thing. Great Job and Good Luck
I finally found the problem after hours of troubleshooting and researching online. After getting the F51 error I began by taking the drum out of my 5 year old tub. I found about 30 cents in change but nothing bad or plugging the drain. I cleaned up the unit while I had it apart (it was pretty gross in there). After putting everything back together I was still getting the error. I decided it must be the RPS so I ordered a cheap replacement through Amazon. I replaced the sensor with the help of some YouTube videos and fired up the machine. I seemed to work, but when it was time to spin it had a slight delay and made a quiet sound like the motor was stalling. After 5-10 seconds it would engage and everything worked fine after it got started so I left it be. The washer worked for about another month or 2 before I started getting the same error code. Getting frustrated, I knew the root cause of the problem had to be something else, so I got back under the appliance. I disassembled the motor and RPS again. I cleaned the contacts to the RPS even though they looked perfect.
Then as I was beginning to reassemble everything I found the problem. The large lock nut around the shaft was very loose. I think it was 2 full rotations loose. I tightened it up best I could with a vice grip and large wrench. After putting everything back together the washer runs beautifully. Quieter than ever and there are no more delays. It just goes to show you that error code troubleshooting will only get you so far. Sometimes you have to look for other possible problems that could happen.
[QUOTE=Handyman187;881118]I finally found the problem after hours of troubleshooting and researching online. After getting the F51 error I began by taking the drum out of my 5 year old tub. I found about 30 cents in change but nothing bad or plugging the drain. I cleaned up the unit while I had it apart (it was pretty gross in there). After putting everything back together I was still getting the error. I decided it must be the RPS so I ordered a cheap replacement through Amazon. I replaced the sensor with the help of some YouTube videos and fired up the machine. I seemed to work, but when it was time to spin it had a slight delay and made a quiet sound like the motor was stalling. After 5-10 seconds it would engage and everything worked fine after it got started so I left it be. The washer worked for about another month or 2 before I started getting the same error code. Getting frustrated, I knew the root cause of the problem had to be something else, so I got back under the appliance. I disassembled the motor and RPS again. I cleaned the contacts to the RPS even though they looked perfect.
Then as I was beginning to reassemble everything I found the problem. The large lock nut around the shaft was very loose. I think it was 2 full rotations loose. I tightened it up best I could with a vice grip and large wrench. After putting everything back together the washer runs beautifully. Quieter than ever and there are no more delays. It just goes to show you that error code troubleshooting will only get you so far. Sometimes you have to look for other possible problems that could happen.[/QUOTE]
Handyman, Thanks for the update, we’e glad everything worked out for you.
You’ll want to remember that lesson when you work with error codes on any machine. The codes are more of a “suggestion” than a “rule”. Most of the time, it’s a process of elimination.
Finally solved my F51 error… Been fighting this @#$! error for past 2 yrs, whilst cursing the Bravos for at least that long. So I’ve been chasing the various possible issues like socks between the tubs, change blocking the drains, etc.
Today, I’d disassembled down to the outer tub and noticed the shaft had some pitting, though I found it hard to believe that was the cause of the F51, decided there were not many other options. I’d planned to order parts and reassemble until they arrived (the laundry must not be held up given 4 teenagers!)
In one last attempt to address all options I’d tipped the unit back to wiggle the rotational sensor wires and what did I find?!? Some socks and wash cloths collected under the machine to the point that they were pressing the foam noise baffle on the bottom up against the motor spindle. In removing it, there was a clearly worn path coinciding with the contact point. Ahhh,… all so obvious now. Confident this was the problem. Thanks for the great forum and all the ideas bantered about.
Best,
Tim
[QUOTE=time2fix;887548]Finally solved my F51 error… Been fighting this @#$! error for past 2 yrs, whilst cursing the Bravos for at least that long. So I’ve been chasing the various possible issues like socks between the tubs, change blocking the drains, etc.
Today, I’d disassembled down to the outer tub and noticed the shaft had some pitting, though I found it hard to believe that was the cause of the F51, decided there were not many other options. I’d planned to order parts and reassemble until they arrived (the laundry must not be held up given 4 teenagers!)
In one last attempt to address all options I’d tipped the unit back to wiggle the rotational sensor wires and what did I find?!? Some socks and wash cloths collected under the machine to the point that they were pressing the foam noise baffle on the bottom up against the motor spindle. In removing it, there was a clearly worn path coinciding with the contact point. Ahhh,… all so obvious now. Confident this was the problem. Thanks for the great forum and all the ideas bantered about.
Best,
Tim[/QUOTE]
Tim, Great !!! We’re happy you found the problem. Keep an eye out for articles falling on the floor when loading and unloading the washer and dryer. Thanks for the update Good Luck,
Hello. I too have an f51 code on our washer I’ve replaced the bearing already a couple of years ago. last week I code the code. Washer sounds fine. I pulled tub, and there was nothing wedged anywhere. I am trying to get the rotor off to look under that, but the rotor bolt spins loose, but won’t come off. I can tighten it. but when I loosen, it just spins and doesn’t come out. Any suggestions?
[QUOTE=jimjoe;897012]Hello. I too have an f51 code on our washer I’ve replaced the bearing already a couple of years ago. last week I code the code. Washer sounds fine. I pulled tub, and there was nothing wedged anywhere. I am trying to get the rotor off to look under that, but the rotor bolt spins loose, but won’t come off. I can tighten it. but when I loosen, it just spins and doesn’t come out. Any suggestions?[/QUOTE]
Jimjoe, The rotor and stator assembly is basically a large magnet, once the retainer bolt is loose, you need to manually remove it, or lower the whole assembly from the bottom of the tub. Be careful, the rotor assembly can be slightly difficult to remove, and can “snap back” into position your fingers usually get pinched when this occurs. Once you get the rotor removed, check the sensor wire harness and sensor position between the stator modules. Also check the connections at the machine control board.
Sorry, I think I wasn’t clear enough. The bolt that holds the rotor is loose, but I can’t get it out. I don’t want to pry on it and damage the rotor.
[QUOTE=jimjoe;897033]Sorry, I think I wasn’t clear enough. The bolt that holds the rotor is loose, but I can’t get it out. I don’t want to pry on it and damage the rotor.[/QUOTE].
Jimjoe, That’s “normal”
See the attached information, it’ll explain it better than I did. Thanks
Binder1.pdf (1.6 MB)
One other possible cause of this error code can be that the plastic motor housing is loose. This prohibits the computer from recieveing the appropriate resistance reading.
This is easy to check and correct. Pull the washing machine out about 2 feet from the wall, tip it back and lean it against the wall (not necessary to remove hoses from the wall) Look at the big white round plastic cover over the motor and see if it is loose. If so, simply tighten the single nut in the middle of it and return the washer to its normal position.
Had I know this, it would have saved me a technician’s service call.
Jim Anthony
[QUOTE=TwoOkies;897254]One other possible cause of this error code can be that the plastic motor housing is loose. This prohibits the computer from recieveing the appropriate resistance reading.
This is easy to check and correct. Pull the washing machine out about 2 feet from the wall, tip it back and lean it against the wall (not necessary to remove hoses from the wall) Look at the big white round plastic cover over the motor and see if it is loose. If so, simply tighten the single nut in the middle of it and return the washer to its normal position.
Had I know this, it would have saved me a technician’s service call.
Jim Anthony[/QUOTE]
Jim, Thanks for the input/information. That can happen, but not as often as your post implies, but your approach and checks is a good one. If it turns into a persistent problem, a drop or two of “loc Tite” will help solve the problem, it’ll make it a little tough to “tear down” the assembly, but nothing you can’t handle.
Part number: AP4327312 is not compatible with my maching, Maytag Bravos model # MVWB300WQ0. Is there a rotor position sensor kit for my model number?
[QUOTE=Angie_2106;900976]Part number: AP4327312 is not compatible with my matching, Maytag Bravos model # MVWB300WQ0. Is there a rotor position sensor kit for my model number?[/QUOTE]
Angie, The RPS sensor for the model number you supplied is AP6016377. If you think it’s prudent, you may want to order and install the wire harness AP6015644 or at least check and make sure there are no loose wires in the harness connectors at both the sensor and the machine control board. Thanks,
I’ve had this issue with my washer many times… The dreaded 51 on the whirlpool cabrio washer. I had a tech out he recommended to replace the washer. I watched all the online videos, searched forever too… Looked like it was going to cost me $500… The fix to this issue is an easy one, at least for me, at no cost, and little effort.
- unplug the machine
- slide it forward enough to see the bottom of the unit.
- There is a silver 1/4" Allen wrench bolt at the bottom of the white plastic drum in the center.
- tighten up the bolt… righty tighty
- plug it back in
- it should pick up where the load left off
- add a little loctite to make it work for a longer period.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=mdorsi;905270]I’ve had this issue with my washer many times… The dreaded 51 on the whirlpool cabrio washer. I had a tech out he recommended to replace the washer. I watched all the online videos, searched forever too… Looked like it was going to cost me $500… The fix to this issue is an easy one, at least for me, at no cost, and little effort.
- unplug the machine
- slide it forward enough to see the bottom of the unit.
- There is a silver 1/4" Allen wrench bolt at the bottom of the white plastic drum in the center.
- tighten up the bolt… righty tighty
- plug it back in
- it should pick up where the load left off
- add a little loctite to make it work for a longer period.
Enjoy![/QUOTE]
mdorsi, a loose motor rotor screw isn’t always the problem, but it is a good and easy place to start checking, in the event of a F51 error code. A small dab of blue “loc tite” on the rotor screw threads is probably a good idea, it shouldn’t present any problems down the line. Thanks,
I have just replaced the bearings, shaft and seal on my Bravos xl washer. After I put it all back together and ran the C0 test I keep getting the f51 error code.
I have checked all my connections and the resistances on P5 and P10 are in the correct range. I’m pulling my hair out trying to figure this out.
The washer worked fine, other then it sounded like it was going to take off, before o started all this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=Kampkand;905724]I have just replaced the bearings, shaft and seal on my Bravos xl washer. After I put it all back together and ran the C0 test I keep getting the f51 error code.
I have checked all my connections and the resistances on P5 and P10 are in the correct range. I’m pulling my hair out trying to figure this out.
The washer worked fine, other then it sounded like it was going to take off, before o started all this.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Kampkand, did you make sure the cover/support plate isn’t warped or damaged and evenly tightened when mounted to the tub, check to make sure the magnets in the rotor didn’t get dislodged, and make sure the RPS sensor is properly installed and secured to the stator.
Make sure the mounting bolt is installed and seated seated tightly, then check the wiring between the sensor and the control board for any twists, tweaks, kinks or frayed marks/areas, or loose, corroded connections at both the sensor and the control board. .