I am getting a Error code of F51 on my Maytag Bravos. Can you tell me what is the problem this indicates.
Thanks
Scott
[quote=IRONHILL;286776]I am getting a Error code of F51 on my Maytag Bravos. Can you tell me what is the problem this indicates.
Thanks
Scott[/quote]
Scott,
The F 51 code, would indicate, the control board is not seeing the proper resistance on the motor circuit .
You should check and make sure there are not any articles, stuck between the tubs, or under the agitator.
Make sure you’re not overloading the machine.and you have proper voltage to the unit.
Have you run the unit through a cycle empty ?
You may want to try that, before we have to get too involved in circuit and voltage tests.
Your technical data sheet should be on the inside of the front panel, you’ll need to raise the top of the washer, using a putty knife to release the clips in the front seam, holding the top down .
I got the same problem. Started with a F50 so I disassembled the entire washer to see what was wrong. I checked the voltage on the connector to the motor and it read good resistance per the tech guide.
I ran the motor test without the basket and the shaft appears to jerk every now and again. At high speeds, the shaft stalls and then starts again. I already replaced the RPS with no change.
My thought now is that it is the tub and the bearing on the shaft to the motor. Anyone might agree with me?
The motor and the motor cover looks good and measures good with the meter.
Maytag Bravos Washer - MTW6700TQ1
[quote=Rularn;320986]I got the same problem. Started with a F50 so I disassembled the entire washer to see what was wrong. I checked the voltage on the connector to the motor and it read good resistance per the tech guide.
I ran the motor test without the basket and the shaft appears to jerk every now and again. At high speeds, the shaft stalls and then starts again. I already replaced the RPS with no change.
My thought now is that it is the tub and the bearing on the shaft to the motor. Anyone might agree with me?
The motor and the motor cover looks good and measures good with the meter.
Maytag Bravos Washer - MTW6700TQ1[/quote]
Rularn,
Did you install the complete kit ?
Did you make sure all the connections were tight and proper, especially at the CCU and RPS ?
At this point, I would hate to see you replace an outer tub and shaft,on a maybe.
Usually, they will make some sort of noise when they begin to fail, and the majority of the agitate/spin problems, are due to a bad RPS or loose wire connection.
Did you have any other failure codes ? or symptoms ?
Thanks for the reply. The only codes I get are F50 and F51: motor and RPS. I checked the wire harness from the machine control to the RPS and motor and it’s all good too.
In manual test, after the shaft will start at high speeds, it will stall.
Sometimes the shaft will jerk before it starts spinning at low speeds.
Sometimes I have to hand spin it a little once before the drive shaft starts to spin at low speeds at the start of the manual test.
[quote=Rularn;321321]Thanks for the reply. The only codes I get are F50 and F51: motor and RPS. I checked the wire harness from the machine control to the RPS and motor and it’s all good too.
In manual test, after the shaft will start at high speeds, it will stall.
Sometimes the shaft will jerk before it starts spinning at low speeds.
Sometimes I have to hand spin it a little once before the drive shaft starts to spin at low speeds at the start of the manual test.[/quote]
Rularn,
It still sounds like it’s a circuit problem,
Something you may want to try,
(if the tub is still out).
Put 2 or 3 drops of 3in1 oil between the shaft and the tub bearing,and give it a few seconds to drip down the shaft, then try the spin, again,
I think you’ll find you still have the same results, then we can move on from there
Good Luck,
[quote=Joe / APP Team;286813]Scott,
The F 51 code, would indicate, the control board is not seeing the proper resistance on the motor circuit .
You should check and make sure there are not any articles, stuck between the tubs, or under the agitator.
Make sure you’re not overloading the machine.and you have proper voltage to the unit.
Have you run the unit through a cycle empty ?
You may want to try that, before we have to get too involved in circuit and voltage tests.
Your technical data sheet should be on the inside of the front panel, you’ll need to raise the top of the washer, using a putty knife to release the clips in the front seam, holding the top down .
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Read the instruction above concerning this code..took off agitater and it was below that in the bottom off the tub ..I managed to pull it out.. it was a pot holder..now running machine empty to make sure nothing else is stuck..it ran great and it seems that the final spin is faster.. Thanks for the advice
Doug, Great !!! Glad it wasn’t anything major.
Good Work.
You’re Welcome
Kept getting this code. Did not find anything that was stuck in the machine, took off rotor cover, etc. Ended up having to replace the rotor sensor. Since I did this replacement, I get a scratchy/rubbing noise when it rotates/agitates and it gets a bit more high pitched when it is in a full spin. Any suggestions on this issue?
[QUOTE=klcannon67;850798]Kept getting this code. Did not find anything that was stuck in the machine, took off rotor cover, etc. Ended up having to replace the rotor sensor. Since I did this replacement, I get a scratchy/rubbing noise when it rotates/agitates and it gets a bit more high pitched when it is in a full spin. Any suggestions on this issue?[/QUOTE]
Klcannon, When you replaced the sensor, did you notice any moisture or water inside the rotor/stator assembly ? This could indicate a weak or leaking tub seal and or “washed out” tub bearings, that are starting to wear out and make noise.
Make sure all the shield bracket screws are torqued evenly and properly, the center plate and stator screws are tight, and the center bolt of the rotor is tight as possible.
Not sure that I am 100% sure exactly where this is,“water inside the rotor/stator assembly ?” I can say that when I put the rotor motor/cover back on, there is still water in the outer drum where it was suppose to have already drained. This unit is approx 5 years old and not used like my old washer when the boys were younger and home. In fact it sat in storage 6 plus months just over 3 years ago.I have not been overly impressed with it, but got a great deal and they are Maytag, thought I wouldn’t have issues. I have had code issues ll along… Overall it has been pretty gently used. Sorry for going on, SO, as far as moisture or water, am I looking in the right place or are you asking if there was any around/in the parts I had pulled. It has started to give me the UL code as well.
[QUOTE=klcannon67;850817]Not sure that I am 100% sure exactly where this is,“water inside the rotor/stator assembly ?” I can say that when I put the rotor motor/cover back on, there is still water in the outer drum where it was suppose to have already drained. This unit is approx 5 years old and not used like my old washer when the boys were younger and home. In fact it sat in storage 6 plus months just over 3 years ago.I have not been overly impressed with it, but got a great deal and they are Maytag, thought I wouldn’t have issues. I have had code issues ll along… Overall it has been pretty gently used. Sorry for going on, SO, as far as moisture or water, am I looking in the right place or are you asking if there was any around/in the parts I had pulled. It has started to give me the UL code as well.[/QUOTE]
Kl, When you replaced the RPS kit
AP4327312
You needed to remove the rotor
AP3882831
and the stator
AP6021196
When you removed these parts, did you notice water, debris, or discoloration on the inside of the rotor. If so, this could indicate an issue with the tub seal, that would eventually wash out the lubricant in the tub bearing and shaft assembly. In time the bearing would start to seize up and create a noise, the F51 code as well as the UL(unbalanced load) code. If the tub cant reach the proper speed within the time allotted, it will create a code.
There is always a small amount of water left in the outer tub after a cycle, a half cup or so, if there’s more than that, then you need to check the hoses and drain pump for obstructions or kinks twists etc. you may have to remove the tub cover and tub to check and make sure there’s nothing small stuck between the tubs.
No water there. I did get a lot of grease on my hands from the Part number: AP4327312, the metal ring. Should I put any back,(if so, what type?), because since this replacement, it has the noise and now not only did I get the UL code in the spin cycle, it won’t complete a spin. It will do the alert like the cycle is finished and it isn’t. Clothes are still pretty wet. I appreciate your assistance. I can’t really afford to pay a repairman since I have been out of work awhile, so thought I would do the DYI method. It wasn’t hard but now it seems I have created another issue. Also, I have already checked between the tubs, I don’t find any item(s) that may have gone over the side of the inner tub. Again, I appreciate your assistance.
[QUOTE=klcannon67;850940]No water there. I did get a lot of grease on my hands from the Part number: AP4327312, the metal ring. Should I put any back,(if so, what type?), because since this replacement, it has the noise and now not only did I get the UL code in the spin cycle, it won’t complete a spin. It will do the alert like the cycle is finished and it isn’t. Clothes are still pretty wet. I appreciate your assistance. I can’t really afford to pay a repairman since I have been out of work awhile, so thought I would do the DYI method. It wasn’t hard but now it seems I have created another issue. Also, I have already checked between the tubs, I don’t find any item(s) that may have gone over the side of the inner tub. Again, I appreciate your assistance.[/QUOTE]
Klcannon, Just a small dab of grease on the surface of the end of the impeller shaft, is all that’s needed. the end of the shaft that seats in the rotor. When you installed the [AP4327312] sensor kit, did you use all the parts ? If not you’ll need to install the remaining parts.
Get the tech data sheet from the inside of the washer front panel, and review the error codes, so we can get an idea of what the control board is seeing and registering in the eeprom memory, since the repair.
Chances are, you’ll need to remove the rotor and stator, and recheck everything and make sure all the bolts are tightened evenly and correctly.
All parts were replaced, that is a definite. Will follow up on the rest of the info. Thanks so much!
[QUOTE=klcannon67;850988]All parts were replaced, that is a definite. Will follow up on the rest of the info. Thanks so much![/QUOTE]
OK, Keep in touch, we’ll get this washer going one way or another.
Grease helped. Still have a bit of a scratching/rubbing noise but it sounds like it is coming from either the agitator or the baskets, don’t know. Any advice on that? I have checked all screws, etc. She is running and so far so good, hopefully I won’t return with this issue…Thanks for all of your help!
[QUOTE=klcannon67;851294]Grease helped. Still have a bit of a scratching/rubbing noise but it sounds like it is coming from either the agitator or the baskets, don’t know. Any advice on that? I have checked all screws, etc. She is running and so far so good, hopefully I won’t return with this issue…Thanks for all of your help![/QUOTE]
Kl, It’s not likely the tub or basket. But you do want to recheck the hub assembly
If the “teeth” on either of the hubs are distorted or “rounded off” or worn to the point that they can’t engage together, there will be a noise from the center of the tubs.
Would this continue to give me an F51 code? I still get that after 2 plus loads and have replaced the sensor. The noise was minimal after rechecking things and adding some grease but increased again before it went out again. Thanks!
[QUOTE=klcannon67;851725]Would this continue to give me an F51 code? I still get that after 2 plus loads and have replaced the sensor. The noise was minimal after rechecking things and adding some grease but increased again before it went out again. Thanks![/QUOTE]
Yes, it could be the cause of the F 51 code and the noise. If the tub hub doesn’t engage the shaft hub properly, this can cause a “drag” on the drive system and create the F 51 error code. You also want to check and make sure, that once the tub is full of water the spin basket has floated up at least 3/8 of an inch, This will give the proper clearance between the tubs, and the agitator until the washer drains and the tub resets on the shaft properly.