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Linkslam  
#11 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:10:32 PM(UTC)
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It does the exact same thing on delicate cycle. As I said before I removed the motor and took out the motor coupler so that the only thing the motor is turning is the water pump. The pump will not push the water out. You say that my timer is faulty. Couldn't I go to the 4 wires going to the motor and cut them and make a test cable? Run one side of my extension cord to 2 of the motor wires and the other side of my cord to the other 2 wires and test the pump? Once I test it in one direction I can swap wires and make the motor run the opposite direction. That will eliminate the timer and everything else out of it. It will be straight power to the motor. Then if the motor still won't turn the pump fast enough to pump water I would assume that the motor is shot. Please correct me if I am wrong.
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#12 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 6:57:01 PM(UTC)
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Ok. I just cut the 4 motor wires (red,white,blue and yellow)behind the control panel and wired them up to a cutoff extension cord. I wired it to drain/spin with the motor coupler removed and the I reinstalled the motor coupler and plugged it back in. After reinstalling the coupler and plugging it back in it still will not pump water and it still spins slow. I have supplied a direct path of electricity from the wall outlet to the motor eliminating all controls including the timer and it still does the exact same thing. I say that I have a bad motor here. Let me know what you think.
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#13 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 7:57:54 PM(UTC)
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It would appear so however your test does not eliminate a wiring problem or faulty connection at the motor connector and motor switch. Assume you connected the test cord hot side to blue and red and neutral side to yellow and white? I asked about delicate cycle because in that cycle, the motor operates in low speed, it is a two speed motor. With motor removed, does the shaft spin freely? Unplug the motor connector and check for corroded terminals or burned wires. Take the screw out of the motor switch and remove the cover to check to see if the start winding contact is stuck closed. The start winding circuit must open after the motor starts by action of the centrifugal mechanism in the motor.

I still believe you also have a faulty timer as there should not be a long pause between end of agitation and start of drain/spin.

Neutral drain is a function of the gearcase. During the first few seconds of agitation direction, the neutral drain mechanism gets "set". When agitation stops and the motor starts again in the opposite direction, the gearcase is in neutral so that the basket does not spin during the minute or two of drain. Then the motor stops which causes the mechanism to shift out of neutral. The motor starts again and spin starts while continuing to drain.

Eric
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#14 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:33:17 PM(UTC)
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I took the motor switch off and it's not stuck closed. The shaft does spin free. No corroded or burnt terminals.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:54:19 PM(UTC)
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Yes. I hooked yellow and white to one leg of cord and blue and red to other leg for spin and I also tried agitate by hooking yellow and blue to one leg and white and red to other leg. I just checked my cycle again and it has water in the tub then I ran it through agitate and after agitate was done it paused for about 5-6 seconds or less and then the motor started turning and spin cycle began. The motor did not try to drain before spin cycle began so there is no long pause between agitate and spin.
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#16 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 5:08:30 AM(UTC)
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Ok, then your timer is ok but your neutral drain is not working. I'm not sure your understanding how drain works. Any time the motor is going in spin direction, the pump is running in the pumpout direction, regardless if the gearcase is in neutral or not.

Have you checked to see if you have 120vac at the receptacle while the motor is running? If so, and the motor is running too slow then it appears the motor is bad. This is unusual if the motor shaft spins freely by hand. You should also replace the neutral drain mechanism in the gearcase.

Eric
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#17 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 8:14:45 AM(UTC)
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I understand that when the motor is turning in a clockwise direction the pump is turning and pumping water no matter if the transmission/tub is in the spin cycle. That's exactly why I said there was a problem with the neutral drain in the transmission because I could see that the drain was not working as it should.
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#18 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 12:20:19 PM(UTC)
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The pump is turning no matter what direction the motor is running. In agitate direction, the pump does not pump the water out. In spin direction, it should pump the water out no matter if the basket is spinning or not...i.e. doesn't matter if neutral drain is working or not. The purpose of neutral drain is so that the motor doesn't have to work so hard to spin the basket full of water. It allows the water to be pumped out first. Then when it does spin, the water that gets spun out of the soaking wet clothes is being pumped out the whole time it's spinning.

Eric
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#19 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 12:23:11 PM(UTC)
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That is exactly right
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#20 Posted : Friday, August 30, 2013 12:34:10 PM(UTC)
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You said, "there was a problem with the neutral drain in the transmission because I could see that the drain was not working as it should".

Neutral drain has nothing to do with the draining process. It will drain whether neutral drain is working or not.

Eric
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