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I'm guessing the age 5-10 yrs as it was given to me, but this machine agitates fine, fills up and drains fine, but the spin cycle is dead for some reason. It's also intermittent because early today i had replaced the coupling and nothing would come on, but I waited about an hour pulled on the timer control and viola, and it filled and ran fine, but still no spin. This leads me to believe there is either a short or a lose wire, but this thing makes accessing the control panel a real puzzle because there are only two screws in the rear, but no others so opening the panel seems impossible without field stripping this monster down out in my backyard in the dirt. (Yes, I know..bad idea, but space it not available indoors) I can't seem to find a tech sheet anywhere or diagrams so now I'm a bit stuck. Any ideas. suggestions, comments or plain old genius solutions? Thanks. ;)
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OK, I did get the panel open (It prys forward and covers the two diagonal screws holding the panel down) and see a single board in there about 2X3 inches, a bunch of wire and several switches.. I'm hoping a lose wire, but my luck doesn't seem to hold true there so is there a way to check out the board without replacing it from the get go? Is my solution to replace part by part because if that's the case I'll likely just strip the thing down and scrap the metal and strip all the wire out too. I REALLY don't want to do that.. So now I'm at a stand still and not quite sure where to go from here.. Any suggestions?
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I do not understand how you were able to replace the coupling without removing the cabinet?
You need to test the lid switch and to do this you need to remove the console. Your machine is made by Whirlpool, and it is very easy to take apart, right in your laundry. There are slide shows and videos on this on the web, just seach.
First unplug the machine. Basically, the two end caps snap off (lift at back and push forward, being careful not to break them. This should expose two screws on either side of the control consol. Take out these screws and the control console lifts up and swings back (let it hang, do not take it off). You will then see a white plastic connector. Take it apart and jumper the outside two prongs on the wire from the console with a solid insulated wire. Make sure the wire does not fall out. Turn the timer to a spin section, plug in the machine, pull the timer out and see if you get spin.
If you do, the lid switch is defective, and you will need to remove the cabinet by unclipping the two brass clips at either side (unplug again first!!!). The cabinet will then pull towards you and come off. Get a new lid switch, replace the cabinet (this will be tricky but it will set down in the rails if you have patience) and put the machine back together.
This and the motor coupling are the two main fail points on this machine. If this works you will have saved about $150.00 on a service call and have a machine that should last another 5-10 years!
If jumping the lid switch does not work, please post along with any other info you can think of.
Good luck
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The motor coupling is a piece of cake. Just tip the machine on its back, remove the two retainer clip screws, pop of the clips..oops..pump first..then remove motor and replace the coupler and reverse order..to put motor back on.. that part I've done many times before. (I'm a dumpster diver by trade ;-) Now the jumper part I was unaware of so I will try that after I dig up a few clips. The lid switch will cause the spin cycle to fail? I'll be darned.. ;) I've fixed dozens of these things mainly the coupling and the cam dogs, but never the lid switch. :p What's odd is the water drains fine with the lid shut, but not the spin..when I open the lid the drain stops.. is that normal? I did figure the control panel thing out.. the caps covered the screws.. I was working from the rear of the machine so it wasn't so obvious as when I turned around.. duh..amazing what a three foot stroll around to the front will accomplish. ;) Now, about the white connector.. Is this the large one connected to the agitate/spin control switch? OR is it the one from the timer control? I'm assuming the agitate/spin controller..but just want to clarify. Thanks so much for the reply! Originally Posted by: sidfink43 I do not understand how you were able to replace the coupling without removing the cabinet?
You need to test the lid switch and to do this you need to remove the console. Your machine is made by Whirlpool, and it is very easy to take apart, right in your laundry. There are slide shows and videos on this on the web, just seach.
First unplug the machine. Basically, the two end caps snap off (lift at back and push forward, being careful not to break them. This should expose two screws on either side of the control consol. Take out these screws and the control console lifts up and swings back (let it hang, do not take it off). You will then see a white plastic connector. Take it apart and jumper the outside two prongs on the wire from the console with a solid insulated wire. Make sure the wire does not fall out. Turn the timer to a spin section, plug in the machine, pull the timer out and see if you get spin.
If you do, the lid switch is defective, and you will need to remove the cabinet by unclipping the two brass clips at either side (unplug again first!!!). The cabinet will then pull towards you and come off. Get a new lid switch, replace the cabinet (this will be tricky but it will set down in the rails if you have patience) and put the machine back together.
This and the motor coupling are the two main fail points on this machine. If this works you will have saved about $150.00 on a service call and have a machine that should last another 5-10 years!
If jumping the lid switch does not work, please post along with any other info you can think of.
Good luck
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Ok, you are now the second person I have met who replaces motor coupling from the bottom. I think you will find it a lot better to take off the cabinet, if for no other reason then the machine really does not not like to be on its back, and you can also inspect the operations of the machine for leaks, problems, etc. and clean it out with the cabinet off.
The lid switch is a safety swtich. It is designed to stop the spinning when the lid is lifted so that the user does not get an arm stuck in there with the machine spinning. However, we now have new information, (don't worry about it, this happens almost always) in that it seems you are saying that the machine drains even though it is not spinning, so the lid switch is probably not be the problem. Test it anyway, because it is easy to do now that you have the console off and you need to rule it out before going on.
Anyway, there is only one plastic connector sitting on top of the cabinet when you pull back the console, and the plastic connector coming into it is the one you jumper (just for second to see if the spin works, no longer!!). It is just a two wire connector (the middle wire is the ground so that is why you do not jumper it). If you work on these machines a lot, you probably have some you cannot fix, and if you do harvest the lid switch from them next time, as the Kenmore/Whirlpool lid switches are largely interchangeable.
Good luck, and if this does not fix it you are looking at clutch and brake (and then you will have to set the machine on its back) There are good discussions of both of these on this site for that type of machine. The clutch repair is relatively easy and relatively inexpensive, and more likely the problem, so start with it. The brake repair not, so read about it on this site and then decide if you want to do it.
Good luck, and please post your results.
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I'm happy I waited for your reply. I might have exploded the backyard and burned Texas to the ground. ;) Not the world would miss it.. I was about to connect the wrong things! Tipping it back for the coupling is straight forward and easy I think, but you're right about leaks plus it could be easy to short other things out with water flowing everywhere. I guess if time is of the essence then ya do what saves time.
Anyway..will get back either tonight or Monday or so. Tomorrow is 100% chance of rain and it's clouding up already out there. Time to get the tarps out soon.. Thanks again!
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Well..it looks like Monday at the soonest is when I will get to dig into the clutch. Oh joy joy! I wish I could tell you how much this just thrills me to no end, but it doesn't particularly thrill me to no end to much. ;) So I guess the next question is where might I find that nice tidbit of information I can spend my Sunday studying cover to cover? I have nothing better to do tomorrow except have it imprinted into my brain for a full day. LOL
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So far the only discussion I can find is about the brake replacement and mention about the clutch. Is that where I'm looking for in the stick? The part I noticed right off was the bit, "Also, at this time, test the clutch sitting on top of the tranny. Hold the clutch housing and try to turn the inner pad assembly, if really hard to turn, it's ok. If not, either get a new clutch (AP3094537 or FRP # 285785), or fix the old one. If not badly worn, you can add small washers into the spring retainer, just make sure the spring is still retained." If I'm reading this right I can basically shim the clutch up with small washers. Is this correct? This doesn't sound to horrible. I've replaced axles in trucks, transmissions, engines, etc. So I'm guessing a washing machine clutch will be a cake walk in comparison, but I have been known to get in WAYYY over my head before too ;) Anyway..is this the discussion I'm looking for?
Thanks again.
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That's one appropriate (?) discussion. Look at any discussion which talks about removing the tranny, and also the exploded parts diagram on this and other part sites. A Washer clutch is nothing compared to an auto clutch, actually nothing compared to anything. The only hard work is getting it out.
I have seen that post I am not a big fan of any "shin" method and don't recommend it. You might try it to see if that will temporarily fix your machine, which will confirm the clutch diagnosis and if it does, I would strongly recommend the new clutch kit (get it from the nice folks who sponsor this site). I am old school, do it once and do it right.
After you exhaust this site, you can look on other sites like this for clutch discussions, there are some which are very complete and very good, but since you already know how to disconnect the motor from the transmission and work on the machine with it on its back, you are all set. The tranny should come out with three bolts.
Just make sure nothing is jammed when you put it back. If it is, the motor will overheat, and all sorts of bad things will happen.
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Thanks sid.. I'm not big on temporary fixes either, but this is a backyard machine being there is no room indoors for it so it has to be covered whenever it rains and the like. If it just becomes discombobulated completely later on and turns into one giant rust pile there is always Action Metals where I also sell scrap metal plus I can get plenty of parts from scrap yards if need be. By the way, they're great sources for parts if they will let you pick through things. The nice thing about scrap yards is you don't have to be neat and clean or put anything back together. Just chunk it in the pile and grab what you need. I have a whole pile of refrigerators fans, cords, wiring..etc. At one time I had a small refrigerator junk yard, but that had to go..It was becoming a rat haven. LOL
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