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Biffspagnutz  
#1 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 10:13:08 PM(UTC)
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I am trying to figure out which part is bad. The washer spins with nothing in it but when there are clothes in the tub all that the washer will do is fill and drain as far as I can tell.

The motor itself works as I have pulled the panel and watched it. When I try and turn the belt it won't go one way but it will spin the other. The splines on the transmission look good and the same for the air bell.

Is the problem the transmission or a bearing or timer or something else?

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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 5:44:18 AM(UTC)
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I am trying to figure out which part is bad. The washer spins with nothing in it but when there are clothes in the tub all that the washer will do is fill and drain as far as I can tell.

The motor itself works as I have pulled the panel and watched it. When I try and turn the belt it won't go one way but it will spin the other. The splines on the transmission look good and the same for the air bell.

Is the problem the transmission or a bearing or timer or something else?

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Biff,

The most likely situation, is a worn out clutch assembly and or belt, based on your post description.

Part number: AP2045377
Part number: AP2045377


Part number: AP2044592
Part number: AP2044592


Does the washer agitate, in the wash cycle ? If it does, start there.

:) :) :)
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:22:14 AM(UTC)
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If the washer does agitate what does that mean? I am trying to understand the operation of the clutch/transmission but I can't visualize it.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:09:36 AM(UTC)
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If the washer does agitate what does that mean? I am trying to understand the operation of the clutch/transmission but I can't visualize it.


Biff,

Ever have a car with a "standard" (3 or 4 speed) manual transmission with a clutch pedal?
Same principle, The motor may run, but if the clutch is worn out, the wheels wont turn, the car wont move.
On a washer, the motor turns in one direction and drives the gears to achieve the agitation(wash) process. When it's time to spin, the motor reverses direction, the clutch engages,to allow for a slow build up of revolutions, up to the spin speed selected.If you have a warn out belt or clutch assembly, the extra weight of wet clothes will not allow the assembly to engage and drive the tub properly.

Hope this helps.

:) :) :)
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#5 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 11:52:23 AM(UTC)
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Oh I see everything reverses to agitate or spin the tub.

So if the belt is taught and holding the wheels then the clutch is the culprit? So how do you know the transmission hasn't failed and not the clutch? Or is that just not a likely event?
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:11:17 PM(UTC)
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Well I put it back together and cleaned off the belt and pulleys. They were pretty oily I also moved the motor away from the transmission to get the belt a little tighter. I put the rest back together and turned it on to see what the agitator does.

What happened next freaked me out a little and is my usual bad luck, there was a nasty grinding ratchet kind of sound like metal teeth on plastic. I advanced the timer some and the tub spun and the water drained but the water also didn't stop filling. I turned the timer knob to off , it kept filling, I unplugged the washer from the wall it kept filling, I had to turn off the water to the washer from the wall.

This is another problem that I thought was fixed a while ago but I guess it's not. I replaced the water level knob and cleaned out the drain tube and the tube that goes to the water level knob.

The ratchet sound was the nut from drive shaft from the transmission that must not have been tight enough. But what is the deal with the water not shutting off?
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:20:46 PM(UTC)
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Oh I see everything reverses to agitate or spin the tub.

So if the belt is taught and holding the wheels then the clutch is the culprit? So how do you know the transmission hasn't failed and not the clutch? Or is that just not a likely event?


Biff,

Based on your post, "it will spin empty, but not with a load" indicates the brake and transmission are working, It would indicate a slipping /warn belt or clutch assembly on the motor. If the transmission or brake were bad, it would have the same indications, wether the washer had or did not have a load in the tub.

:) :) :)
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, May 17, 2011 2:30:19 PM(UTC)
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Well I put it back together and cleaned off the belt and pulleys. They were pretty oily I also moved the motor away from the transmission to get the belt a little tighter. I put the rest back together and turned it on to see what the agitator does.

What happened next freaked me out a little and is my usual bad luck, there was a nasty grinding ratchet kind of sound like metal teeth on plastic. I advanced the timer some and the tub spun and the water drained but the water also didn't stop filling. I turned the timer knob to off , it kept filling, I unplugged the washer from the wall it kept filling, I had to turn off the water to the washer from the wall.

This is another problem that I thought was fixed a while ago but I guess it's not. I replaced the water level knob and cleaned out the drain tube and the tube that goes to the water level knob.

The ratchet sound was the nut from drive shaft from the transmission that must not have been tight enough. But what is the deal with the water not shutting off?


Biff,

You'll need to replace the fill valve,

Part number: AP3861119
Part number: AP3861119


One of the coil/solenoid plunger is sticking open under pressure.

Maybe your adjustment will keep you going for a while, but you need to replace the fill valve As Soon As Possible.

:) :) :)
Biffspagnutz  
#9 Posted : Wednesday, May 18, 2011 1:39:01 PM(UTC)
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Great thanks for that!
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, May 18, 2011 2:08:05 PM(UTC)
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Great thanks for that!


Biff,

Your welcome, it's my pleasure to help.

Lett us know how things go, and what it took to get your washer up and running.

:) :) :)
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