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hfactor  
#1 Posted : Sunday, February 20, 2011 1:36:22 PM(UTC)
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My 8 year old Top Freezer GE Profile Fridge PT122SFMARBS) has been acting erratically since early January. Initially, the freezer started warming. I shut it down, let it reset. Evaporator Fan sounded hollow. I shut it down, I let ti thaw, andaalso cleaned the "never clean" coils and the freezer came back alive. I watched the evaporator coils frost back up. Worked fine for about 3 weeks. Initially, the fan stayed on for almost 24 hours, and then it settled down to normal function at 5 degrees. Yet, the Evap Fan still sounded hollow.

Last week, the Evap fan started to kick on and off for only 2 minutes, and the tfreezer emp began to rise to 27, We (again) emptied the freezer about halfway, and in normalized to about 22 degree, but the evap fan cycling is continuing for only 2 minutes on and shuts off. Seems like it wants to cool,m but is not being permitted to do so. It also seems to work better with a half full freezer

Does it sound like the Evaporator fan motor, the thermostat, or the Defrost timer. Does this older unit even have a mother board?

Please, any help is appreciated. I am pretty handy, but just need guidence. My wife is also going to shoot me if we have to empty the freezer again. (We also had a nice and relaible service tech in. He opened the freezer, looked at everything looked at, reset the defroster,and then said lets see what happens over the next few days. (He didn't even inquire, check the speak about or check the bottom coils. Cleaning them was my idea, and seemed to initially bring the cooling back.

So please, I appreciate any guidence. Many thanks.
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denman  
#2 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 1:50:02 AM(UTC)
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I could not find info on the given model number.
I think it should be PTI not PT1, below is the parts for that unit.
Replacement parts for General Electric PTI22SFMARBS Refrigerator | AppliancePartsPros.comReplacement parts for General Electric PTI22SFMARBS Refrigerator | AppliancePartsPros.com
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Does it sound like the Evaporator fan motor, the thermostat, or the Defrost timer.[/COLOR]
Could be any of these.
It is a GE so I cannot get a wiring diagram, check under your unit to see if it is there.
On most units the evaporator fan is either on all the time or on when the compressor is on.
So if the compressor is on and the evaporator fan is off or cycling I would say that you need a new fan.
One way to confirm this is by checking the voltage across the fan, if it is receiving 120 volts and not rotating then it is toast.
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Does this older unit even have a mother board?[/COLOR]
Thank goodness it does not use the GE mother board.
It looks like it uses an analogue thermostat (Item 300 in Section 5) and a defrost timer (Item 648 in Section 5)

Does not sound like a defrost problem.
If it was the evaporator coils would be heavily frosted/iced over and the only way to get it cooling again would be to do a manual defrost. Also the unit's compressor would run continuously as the unit would keep trying to cool to set point.

If the compressor and the evaporator fan are cycling it could be the thermostat.
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#3 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 7:40:44 AM(UTC)
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Thanks so much Denman.

Since I induced a defrost cycle last night through the timer switch (went to almost 58 degrees), the freezer is now hugging 21 degrees. However, the fan motor is still only kicking on for only several minutes and then turning off.

As the fan motor is still making a hollow sounding noise, does it pay to just pick up a new fan motor, and also a thermostat and replace them both. (Am not trying to waste money, or just throw parts at it, but I am trying to get this fixed without multiple dissassemblies, and before my wife throws me and the fridge out. Obviously, I should probably should pull out my multi meter and test the fan motor.)

How about the thermostat. Is it the same continuity test? Thanks.
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#4 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 1:53:55 PM(UTC)
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The fan definitely sounds like it needs replacing.

Not sure about the thermostat. It all depends on the compressor. If the compressor is always on then thermostat is doing it's job re: it is trying to get the freezer down to set-point.

If you ran the forced defrost with the evaporator cover off then the temperatures will be screwed up. The cover does hold the defrost heat in the evaporator area also this will shut the heater off once the ice has melted because of the defrost thermostat in this area.

The fan must be running and at the proper speed to pull air through the evaporator coils otherwise you will get poor cooling.

One other thing to check is that the evaporator coils develope a nice even coating of frost.

[COLOR="DarkRed"]How about the thermostat. Is it the same continuity test?[/COLOR]
Yes but if the compressor is running then odds are very high that the thermostat is OK. If this is a two connector thermostat then the odds rise to 100%.
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hfactor  
#5 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2011 1:58:42 PM(UTC)
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The fan definitely sounds like it needs replacing.

Not sure about the thermostat. It all depends on the compressor. If the compressor is always on then thermostat is doing it's job re: it is trying to get the freezer down to set-point.

If you ran the forced defrost with the evaporator cover off then the temperatures will be screwed up. The cover does hold the defrost heat in the evaporator area also this will shut the heater off once the ice has melted because of the defrost thermostat in this area.

The fan must be running and at the proper speed to pull air through the evaporator coils otherwise you will get poor cooling.

One other thing to check is that the evaporator coils develope a nice even coating of frost.

How about the thermostat. Is it the same continuity test?
Yes but if the compressor is running then odds are very high that the thermostat is OK. If this is a two connector thermostat then the odds rise to 100%.



DenmanThanks again.

The sound of the fan motor alone leads me to beleive that there is definately soemthing wrong there. Its is a pricey part... but I'm gonna bite the bullet. FYI - the defrost was done with the cover on. Am going to run continuity tonight.

Again, my gratitude

Hfactor
hfactor  
#6 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 10:19:57 AM(UTC)
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Denman

I hate to bother you again. I ended up tearing down the freezer, pulling the evap fan, and buying a replacement at a local service/parts store. The unit was off for 36 hours. The replacement is not OEM, but is compatable, apparently just a few numbers away form mine. Apparrently mine is old and hard to get.

Anyway, hooked it up. Was getting proper voltage tform the harness clipp. Started up. Cold frosted over slowly and fully. Fan on seemingly properly, and then within an hour, it went tinot auto defrost mode. finished, and then freezer cooled down to about 10-15 degrees. All good. BUT, now some 9 hours later, the fridge is only at 50, with settings at 7 Freezer and 9 Fridge. Remember, this is all analog.

Any ideas? This is getting crazy. Could the fan motor be too weak... or is just a matter of time to normalize. It is still empty.

I just don't know what to do next. I seem to be more than 1/2 way there...
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#7 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 12:19:49 PM(UTC)
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Give it some more time.
Being empty it will take additional time to cool all the way down.

10 to 15 is too warm so your fresh food side will also be warmer.
It should get down to 0 to 5 degrees F.

If it is still running then it is at least trying to get to the lower temperature.
I suspect that it is OK as you said your coils got a nice even coating of frost.

If it is at 10 to 15 and the compressor is cycling then there may be another problem.
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hfactor  
#8 Posted : Friday, February 25, 2011 12:59:28 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: denman Go to Quoted Post
Give it some more time.
Being empty it will take additional time to cool all the way down.

10 to 15 is too warm so your fresh food side will also be warmer.
It should get down to 0 to 5 degrees F.

If it is still running then it is at least trying to get to the lower temperature.
I suspect that it is OK as you said your coils got a nice even coating of frost.

If it is at 10 to 15 and the compressor is cycling then there may be another problem.



Thanks for the quick response. It is the evap fan that is cycling. The compressor is running but is extremely quiet, you almost don't know when it is on. I don't beleive it is cyling at all (yet). I will check tonight, and give it more time, and tell my wife to put some more food in.

Thanks. Have a great weekend.

Hfactor.
hfactor  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, March 1, 2011 10:35:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: hfactor Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the quick response. It is the evap fan that is cycling. The compressor is running but is extremely quiet, you almost don't know when it is on. I don't beleive it is cyling at all (yet). I will check tonight, and give it more time, and tell my wife to put some more food in.

Thanks. Have a great weekend.

Hfactor.



Denman

So, things stayed about the same over the weekend. 42 in the fridge, 15 ish in the freezer. Both evaporator and condensor fan functions seem normal. Compressor tank just warm, not hot. Evap coils frosting evenly. (Fridge Control now set back to 7, Freezer damper at 2-3).

Out of frustration last night, I disconnected, ran and confirmed continuity on the Temperature Control (thermostat). It was fine.

So, my freezer is not cold enough to make Ice, although it did on the first night after I installed the new Evap fan motor. Does this sound like 2 seperate problems - the intermitant Evap fan motor (now replaced and fixed), and perhaps, a low freon issue?

Thanks.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:30:22 AM(UTC)
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Yes it does sound like you had 2 problems.

You said that the evaporator coils had a nice even coating of frost on them so I doubt it is a low freon problem.

Here is a good link.
http://www.applianceaid.com/refrigerator.html

Check out the example pictures part way down the page.

Is the compressor running all the time or is it cycling on/off?

If it is cycling then the thermostat comes to the top of the list as a probable cause.
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