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#11 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 1:50:30 PM(UTC)
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Hey sid, I don't know if you're reading, but is there an easy way to pull this tranny out? I have the bolts out and it slid a few inches back or down, but now won't budge. Is there a retainer pin or clip I'm not seeing anywhere? I see one on the diagram from sears, #3 on page Full Diagram | SearsPartsDirect.com
but no clue how to get to that sucker.. What am I missing here? Do I need to go through the top and loosen the tub? My first instinct is to get a slide hammer on the job, but would rather caution on the side of error or however that goes. ;)

Thanks.. I'll keep plugging away and hopefully solve this, but so far no good. ;/
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#12 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 2:32:22 PM(UTC)
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AH HA! Got the sucker out and now looking at the clutch lining it looks like white plastic, polyethylene maybe.. There is no such thing as what could qualify as what I would think of as a clutch lining, but I don't know how it's supposed to look anyway. So far I have found nothing that could qualify as a spec sheet to tell me how much should be worn off or not.. So...how do i tell? Any ideas?

Thanks.
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 3:11:06 PM(UTC)
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Wow, sorry you are having so much trouble. You say this was given to you, was it from a friend or enemy?

Here is a site which will show you some color pictures of what it ithe clutch is supposed to look like. It may be that wear is not your problem, and that the spring connections are.

Clutch Replacement on Whirlpool and Kenmore Washers

If you do not think this is the problem the next step is to remove the brake tube, but now you are starting to run into costly parts if the problem is in the brake tube. However, before you do that I would test to make certain the motor is running when it is in spin mode. The motor turns counterclockwise in agitate mode and clockwise in spin mode.

Thanks for the info on parts. My background here is that I do volunteer work for a Habitat for Humanity Home store. We accept donations of major appliances (and other stuff, no clothes which we leave to goodwill). I with others test, clean and repair washers, dryers, ranges, diswashers etc. We take in about 1500 major appliances a year and sell about 1200 to 1300 year. The money supports building houses for really deserving people. Our only source of spare parts (other than $5-10 pieces) is what we salvage from machines we cannot fix, so we have built up a fair amount of usable parts, particularly for the whirlpool/kenmore line. We do not install used moving parts (clutch, transmission) so we have to part out those machines.

Because whirlpool/kenmore parts are so interchangeable we can even do things like change out a cabinet. Sometimes we get a machine that is in very good working condition, but is beat to hell, rusty from bleach spills etc. We save good cabinets, and just swap it out and voila, a good looking machine and another $150+ for the cause.

Anyway, I really hope you get this thing working, but if not at least you are not out any money and hopefully will have learned how to do it easier in the future.

Let us know how things are going.
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#14 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 4:27:37 PM(UTC)
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I'm pretty sure the problem is the clutch now. I inserted a small nut behind the spring and it tightened it up considerably. I don't know how long that might last, but it will at the very least let me know if it was the problem at all if i get a decent spin out of this beast. I found the part, but delivery time is about 2 weeks at best and I live in a big town, Dallas. Go figure, huh?
A lot of scrap yards will allow people to scrounge around, but you need to be careful and you usually do so at your own risk. It would be a good idea to make deals with a yard where you can dispose of junked parts to bring in some extra income as well and when you get to know the guys working there some will save certain parts for you, especially the smaller yards, but they are in a business like everyone else.
One yard here saved a few old machines for me for a while, but after we got what we needed they quit. Let them know why you need them and give them good press and they might be much more helpful.
I've sold many refrigerators basically the same way you do except it's my income source. I sell them as low as $50 each and some aren't worth that! But when a young couple is in desperate need they need anything to keep food cold sometimes. I give them away on occasion too even though it really cuts into my living. I had a steady supply, but the city grabs them up mostly now so I get the leftovers usually.
Now I'm just trying to find the diagram to figure where all the basket parts go back in right. I took it apart to get the tranny out and there's one or two I forget the order. YIKES! I hate that. LOL
Got it and now I have a part that resembles a 2 or3 inch brass nail with a hole drilled in one end and I have NO clue where it might have dropped out of. I have spin working now, but agitate doesn't do a thing.. loose wire perhaps? That nail looking thing? Looks like a pin from something, but I didn't remove it..It just appeared! YIKES! Any ideas?
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#15 Posted : Monday, April 13, 2009 4:50:16 PM(UTC)
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Well, if it spins you can certainly continue to use it that way until if (or when) it fails. If you plan to sell or give the machine away I would certainly put in a new clutch kit.

Any basic appliance parts store should have the clutch kit. You can order one from this site and it will certainly get to you in less than two weeks.

As far as not agitating, first check to see that the motor is running counterclockwise in agitate mode. You may not have gotten the connections on good. If the motor runs, I suspect you did not get the agitator dogs back in correctly in the agitator. It is not a "wire" issue unless the wire in question is to the motor. Don't know about your extra part, see if it goes with the agitator.

While our Habitat store does not give away appliances, we do sell them very reasonably so people who cannot afford a new one can get a quality used one. I am sure the feeling you get when you give one away or sell it at a reduced price more than offsets any monetary loss.

Let us know when you have this beast up and running!
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2009 10:27:30 AM(UTC)
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I'm fairly sure it's the wiring, but I also lost one of the rubber shims that goes under the motor so things set kind of cockeyed a bit..might have gotten in a bind. But why would the pump still run? Gotta be wiring somewhere..
On the good side I got two calls this morning to pick up a set of washing machines from others so whatever parts I need might just be included or they might just run even better.
On the bad side the flu slammed me last night and drastically weakened me so...oh well..so they'll be 80 lbs heavier than they would have been. LOL
At the very least I have gotten a good lesson in repairing these monsters and do appreciate that more than i can express in words here. ;)
Thanks Sid!
By the way, yes, helping people in need does have rewards well beyond any money i might or might not have. I only wish i could afford to give more away.
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2009 2:34:39 PM(UTC)
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Sid, Sid, Sid...what are the odds that I would get a call to come pick up another machine, the exact same type that needs ONLY the cam dogs replaced? Pretty slim I bet, but that's just what happened this morning so now I have a fully working machine and a full compliment of spare parts!
The ONLY difference in the old machine and the new one is the model number and the color is slightly brighter on the newer model. Aside from that and the back panel on the old one is black and the new one is unpainted..exactly the same thing!
Things seldom work out this good for me, but I have to say..I'll take it!
And once again, thanks for the lessons. Now I know how to replace a clutch and have a spare handy to boot along with everything else including the exact same control panel. Short of a brand spanking new machine falling off a truck and landing on my truck it just don't get much better. ;)
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2009 4:45:35 PM(UTC)
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:) Wow, Great to hear that.

You know, if it something you want to do you can make a decent living rebuilding as necessary and selling top loading Kenmore/Whirlpool washers. Many of the internal parts have been the same for decades.

Glad it worked out well for you, you deserve it after that amazing display of perserverance!
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:56:25 PM(UTC)
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Thanks.. I do sell them whenever I get my hands on them. Washing machines used to be very common on cubs, but no longer. Cities have caught on and decided to muscle in on it. They have the advertising budgets too.. real shame too. :/ Oh well..
I still will persevere despite the damned city. ;) They'll probably pass a law soon to prohibit picking up metal at curbside or in dumpsters. They can muscle in on any way people have to earn a living and are doing it now..
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