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topdollr  
#21 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 3:51:04 PM(UTC)
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First off, thanks to all those who take the time to explain and help others. What a great site. I read and re read these post about replacing the outer tub bearings. I replaced mine this weekend, I have a 15 series washer. I did find that my clutch is bad. Now that I reverted my 15 series back to the 10-11 design I need the one way bearing add on but the bottom of my tube does not have the notch outs like this one:
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mine is oval. I was thinking that I could just dremel out the notches myself. But I wanted to ask if anyone with the 12+ series has done this. With the clutch spring broken my tub does not spin. So I am hoping the new clutch and the one way bearing will be the final touch I need to get my washer back up and running.

If anyone has any info or can add a link that would be greatly appreciated.

thanks,
Austin
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#22 Posted : Sunday, January 29, 2012 8:04:07 PM(UTC)
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Austin;

I have not changed out outer Tub Bearings on my Series 16 and 17 machines so I may be in the same situation as you are when it comes time for an Outer Tub rebuild. My Series 10 machine did have the Upper One-Way bearing ring and thus the notches in the Outer Tub. My Series 15 & 17 do not use the Upper One-Way Bearing Ring. And those machines may or may not have the notches in the bottom of the Outer Tub.

I have seen post where a Series 15 and 16 owners machine did use the Upper One-Way bearing ring so it looks like Maytag had some machines hit the big box stores with the old outer tub design which I thought changed at series 12 and above. I have mentioned this on other forums and I believe this forum about this.

So if my Series 16 or 17 did not have those notches I would be in the same boat as you with an Outer Tub bearing rebuild.......that is how do I incorporate the Upper One-Way bearing ring to the rebuild.

What I see is that the Upper One-Way bearing ring prevents wash basket/Spinner Support rotation in the CW direction of Clutch Pulley rotation&#8230;&#8230;the wash/agitate cycle.

You removed the intergraded Outer tub bearing with one half as standard ball bearing i.e. like the 6207-2RS bearing and the other half which is the One-Way bearing part&#8230;..is that correct?

If so you need to incorporate that Upper One-Way bearing ring that will come with your new Clutch Pulley assembly. How to do that is the challenge with an Outer Tub with no notches.

I can&#8217;t speak to a proper retro fit for this situation &#8220;&#8221;I was thinking that I could just dremel out the notches myself.&#8221;&#8221;.

If you look at the post from Ken P he got back in service. I'm not sure how if he did that if he did not use the Upper One-Way bearing ring with the plain vanilla 6207-2RS bearings in his Outer Tub rebuild....... My question is what is preventing his Spinner Support/Wash basket from rotating CW with CW rotation of his Clutch Pulley in the Wash/Agitate cycle?????


Ken P. if you read this post can you add your final status of your Outer Tub rebuild without using the Upper One-Way bearing ring?

Austin do you have a Pic of bottom of your Outer Tub that you can post?

Taking a dremel tool and grinding out the notches might work but that is WAG from here. Maybe another owner or an appliance tech with some FAV6800A/FAV9800A outer tub rebuild experience can chime in.

Wish I could be of more help. Please keep us posted on the direction you go&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;Dick
topdollr  
#23 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 4:50:19 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the reply, I replaced both tub bearing with the 6207-2rs bearing.

I would also like to know what is keeping the tub from spinning.

Hopefully I can get a pic tonight
dh1200s  
#24 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 5:09:08 AM(UTC)
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""I would also like to know what is keeping the tub from spinning.""

Normal operation is the wash basket spins CCW freely and should never rotate CW.

Did you try to install the new Upper One Way Bearing on reassembly?

Pic below of the Clutch Pulley Assembly with my notes;
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topdollr  
#25 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 5:11:00 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: dh1200s Go to Quoted Post
""I would also like to know what is keeping the tub from spinning.""

Normal operation is the wash basket spins CCW freely and should never rotate CW.

Did you try to install the new Upper One Way Bearing on reassembly?

Pic below of the Clutch Pulley Assembly with my notes;



Sorry still waiting on new clutch to arrive.
dh1200s  
#26 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 9:03:47 AM(UTC)
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Understand you are waiting for a new Clutch Pully assembly but what I don't understad is this ""I would also like to know what is keeping the tub from spinning.""

With the Clutch Pulley removed and new Outer Tub bearings installed the wash basket should rotate CCW the spin direction and CW. The Clutch Pulley mounted One-Way bearing locks up with Clutch Pulley CCW/spin rotation and spins the Spinner Support CCW in the Outer Tub bearings.....the Spin part of the wash cycle or Spin Only Cycle.

The Upper Bearing ring One-Way bearing is the same bearing type as in the Clutch Pulley One-Way bearing only pressed in to prevent CW rotation of the Spinner Support/wash basket in wash/agitate part of the wash cycle.

Your original One-Way bearing that prevented this CW rotation of the wash basket during wash/agitate CW rotation of the Clutch Pulley was the dual/split outer tub bearing that you removed. I refer to this as the intergrated Outer Tub bearing. One half of that split bearing assembly is plain ball bearing and the other half is the One-Way bearing that prevents the wash basket/Spinner Support from rotating CW during the wash/agitate cycle.

Sorry if this is clear as mud I have not rebuilt my machines (series 16 & 17) that do not have the Upper One Way Bearing ring. But I feel my description is correct for it's operation, but if anyone on the forum knows different please chime in and correct me.

As I mentioned If I have to replace that special split bearing Outer Tub bearing assembly and my Outer Tub Tub does not have the notches I will be in a difficult situation. I think you are the 1st forum member from all forums I have commented on that is trying to rebuild a FAV6800A/FAV9800A outer Tub machine without the notches in the bottom of the Outer Tub that the ears of the Upper Bearing ring slip into during assembly.

Was the split bearing assembly you replaced with the 6207-2RS bearing useable or was it seized/rusted up? That should have been the Lower Outer Tub bearing assembly closest to the Clutch Pulley/Squared end agitator shaft that keys into the Clutch Pulley housing.

I and other forum members have not found that special bearing assembly anywhere in the US. Maybe located somewhere in China. I think Maytag's answer is to replace the Outer Tub at $400+ to get a set of $8 bearings.

As soon as I get an opportunity I'm going to tear down one of my machines that has no Upper Bearing ring so I can speak more clearly on the rebuild issues

If you were close to the 19344 area I would swap out your Outer Tub with my Series 10 machine so you could get back in service and I could play/work the issue.....this is fun right?

Good Luck Austin.......Dick
topdollr  
#27 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 9:39:00 AM(UTC)
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one way was seized. so no go on reusing. It is still apart so no testing yet.

thanks for the offer on the tub swap. Can you let me know how deep and wide the "notches" are on the bottom of the tub? I want to see if I have enough material to remove. If it looks iffy I may just buy a new washer. I hate to spend the money on a failed project. But if there is enough material then I will come out a hero in the wifeys eyes
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#28 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 2:24:35 PM(UTC)
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Here is a pic of the bottom of my washer. I cleaned up the area with a wire brush so you could see better.

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dh1200s  
#29 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 3:08:00 PM(UTC)
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I don’t have a Outer Tub pulled to measure but I do have a purchased Maytag official locking ring I can take some measurements on. It set flush in the locking notches of my old Series 10 Outer Tub. I’ll see what I can do for measurements and a pic of the locking ring.

Looking at your pic it looks like the original old lower Outer Tub bearing is in this pic…. is that correct?

I see below the 1.75” Spinner Support nut what appears to be a new washer or shim which is it? Maybe that is the new 6207-2RS bearing and I can’t tell from the pic.

From the pic I don’t see how you could notch out the bearing hub to fit the Upper One-Way bearing ring. Flipping back and forth between my old at Old style Outer Tub and your Outer Tub it doesn’t look doable.

When you get your new Clutch Pulley assemble you can over lay that Upper bearing ring on the Spinner Support shaft and see how things look. Maytag and their backward engineering of this Outer Tub……what were they thinking?

The Outer Tub has a 10 yr warranty. A forum member here got Maytag to send them a complete Outer Tub. I’ll see if I can find the post and point you to it. I would call them (800# in the SM they will ask for your S/N) and see if they will do anything more than a $200 reimbursement toward a new Whirlpool product…………Dick
topdollr  
#30 Posted : Monday, January 30, 2012 4:18:54 PM(UTC)
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correct I installed the new 6207 on the bottom and added two large washers I picked up from ACE.

I am going to take my original bottom bearing and see if they can do two seperate bearing, one thinner 6207 and one one way bearing with the combined total width of the original.
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