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GJS  
#1 Posted : Saturday, November 6, 2010 7:56:48 AM(UTC)
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I have a 70 series Kenmore Dryer (Electric), which I believe was made by Whirlpool. The timer will not advance on the Auto Dry side. It will advance on the dryer timed side but will not shut off. I have replaced this control without luck.

I understand that there is a moisture control board, but have looked at the schematics and found none for this model. Could it be the dryer cycling thermostat or the thermal cut off?

I completely took the thing apart and cleaned every nook and crany right down to the blower wheel.

Any ideas would be a great help.
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GJS
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denman  
#2 Posted : Tuesday, November 9, 2010 7:33:31 AM(UTC)
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I do not know if I can be much help, but here goes.
I do not have a wiring diagram for this unit.

Sounds like there may be 2 problems.

[COLOR="Red"]Not Advancing[/COLOR]
[COLOR="Blue"]I understand that there is a moisture control board, but have looked at the schematics and found none for this model. Could it be the dryer cycling thermostat or the thermal cut off?[/COLOR]
I doubt it, they control heat not the motor. There is a thermal fuse in the motor circuit but if blown the unit will not run.

There probably is not a moisture board.
The way it works is that in timed dry the timer motor is connected across one side of the line (120 volts).
In auto modes it gets it's power through the heating coil when the coil is turned off by the thermostat. There is then a resistor which drops the heater's 240 volts down to 120 volts for the timer motor.
Often no timer advance is a blown resistor or a grounded element.
Resistors are usually around 5,000 ohms.
For a grounded element
Check the heating coil.
Unplug the unit and both wires to the coil.
Check it with a meter, should be around 10 ohms.
Then check from each side of the coil to the case/frame, both should be infinite ohms (open). If not the coil may have sagged or broken and is touching the case so it never shuts off and you never get a timer advance.

[COLOR="Red"]Will Not Shut Off in either mode.[/COLOR]
This has me sort of stumped I would have bet that replacing the timer would have repaired this as there is a set on contacts in the timer that control power to the motor.
Did this unit ever run correctly or is it new to you, just wondering if the wiring is messed up.
Could be a defective replacement but it would be very strange to get a timer that has the exact same problem as the original one.
I am assuming that that opening the door stops it and the the push to start switch operates correctly.
If you manually move the timer to off, does it stop?
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GJS  
#3 Posted : Thursday, November 11, 2010 10:23:24 AM(UTC)
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Hi,
Thanks for responding. To date I have replaced the timer, and the cutoff thermal as well at the other two thermostats. Same problem.
It's really weird. I will take apart the coil and check it again. I can see that the heater coil is heating thru a small opening where the thermostat fits in. Everything apears to be heating and cooling as it should, it just won't shut off. It will if I open the door or hand turn the timer.

I'm really at a loss, there isn't much more to change out.

Let me know if you come up with anything else. I really appreciate your time and effort.

GJS
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#4 Posted : Monday, November 15, 2010 9:38:01 AM(UTC)
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I checked the coil. It's fine also. I just can't figure it out.

Any suggestions?
denman  
#5 Posted : Tuesday, November 16, 2010 1:33:30 AM(UTC)
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[COLOR="Blue"]The timer will not advance on the Auto Dry side. It will advance on the dryer timed side but will not shut off.
won't shut off. It will if I open the door or hand turn the timer.[/COLOR]

What happens in the timed dry mode?
You say it advances but still does not shut off, does it stop advancing just before the off position or does it advance past off and then start a new cycle?

I am sort of in the dark here withjout a wiring diagram.
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GJS  
#6 Posted : Tuesday, November 16, 2010 11:35:59 AM(UTC)
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I have attached the wiring schematics. I think you need to click on the attachment (paper clip) link at the top.
I will say that I have owned this dryer since new and have not ever had any problems with it. In the timed dry mode, it will advance right to where it should shut off and continue to run at that point. At that point it will be in the cool down mode, the last ten minutes of the timed dryer mode the heater turns off, like it should..

Hope this helps.


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The timer will not advance on the Auto Dry side. It will advance on the dryer timed side but will not shut off.
won't shut off. It will if I open the door or hand turn the timer.

What happens in the timed dry mode?
You say it advances but still does not shut off, does it stop advancing just before the off position or does it advance past off and then start a new cycle?

I am sort of in the dark here withjout a wiring diagram.
GJS attached the following image(s):
dryer-wiring-schematics.jpg
denman  
#7 Posted : Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:26:11 PM(UTC)
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I did get your wiring diagram.

All I can say is very very strange.

Try timed dry with the buzzer turned Off.
If it is Off try it with the buzzer turned On.
If this does nothing.
I would try disconnecting one side of the buzzer.
Tape the wire up so it cannot short to anything and give it a try in timed dry.
Now does it shut off.
I am reaching for straws here.

For some reason the main motor is being held on and the only path I can see doing this is through the buzzer circuit as it is in parallel with the BK/BU timer contacts.
Unfortunately this does not explain why the timer stops advancing just before the off position.

If the above does not change the symptoms.
I would unplug the unit.
Disconnect the wires going to the timer motor and connect them to a line cord.
Tape everything so it cannot short to each other or anything else.
Set the timer to timed dry close to the off point, so you do not have to wait too long.
Then plug in the line cord .
If it still stops advancing just before the off position then the timer must be bad.

Why it does not advance in auto mode is another problem but lets try to get timed dry running first as it is less complicated.
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