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rainforest  
#1 Posted : Friday, September 17, 2010 5:16:02 PM(UTC)
rainforest

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Our dishwasher gets stuck at about 5:00 and 9:00 on the dial, and the water doesn't get very hot anymore, just like so many other people have reported. For example, these 2 are great threads:
http://forum.appliancepartspros...p-wash-rinse-cycles.html
http://forum.appliancepartspros...sher-cycle-sticking.html

Now, we have carefully followed through those threads, but our dishwasher is a little different, because the Bosch SHU4022 does not have an NTC, it has a normally open simple thermostat. It does not have a Control Module either, it has a timer.

This is where we are with our testing:
- The heater (AP2804286 ) measures 12 ohm. Seems good.

- The thermostat (AP2804285) that is the part used in place of the NTC is indeed open at room temperature. We've not done any tests of how this behaves - not sure how. And its a real bear to remove it.

Flow Switch (AP2802178) measurements:
-grey/black wire to red wire, 0.5 ohm with button depressed
- grey/black to white wire, button depressed = 0.5 ohm; button up, open ckt.
- white to red wire, 2Kohm, regardless of button state.
So we think this means the flow switch is good, but are not sure.

Thermostat in door (AP2804281 ) - measured approximately, it seems to change state around 60-70 centigrade. This seems OK. We did not try to run with the thermostat wires jumpered, to see if the cycle completes. Maybe we'll do that once its back together.

Selector Switch (AP2804338), with Regular cycle
- 1&2 = 13 ohm
- 3&4 = 2 ohm
- 5&6 = 3 ohm
The fact that none of these are open (that is, infinite resistance) implies that the selector switch is OK.

Now, if all those things are OK, then it seems that the only thing left to worry about it the Timer, if you follow through the earlier threads. I can find nothing about how to test this timer, since most other people have Control Modules rather than this simple timer. Since the timer costs ~$120, I don't want to spend the cash only to learn that the problem is not solved. A new bosch bottom-of-the-line dishwasher will only cost about $300 more than the new timer, and this is the second failure in a year (last one was the water flow valve, which was an easier fix that I reported in another topic)

Does anyone have any clues about what we might have missed testing, or how to understand if the timer is bad?

I actually bought the Troubleshooting manual for this, and its no help on the timer question (though it does explain how to remove the base in case we need to go after that heater assembly.)

Thanks in advance for any clues someone can provide.
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rainforest  
#2 Posted : Friday, October 8, 2010 8:54:49 PM(UTC)
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I'm happy to say that we resolved the "stuck in 2 places" problem without replacing any parts. Here's what we did:

- ran the unit with the thermostat in the door jumpered, and it ran to the end. Double checked the 'door' thermostat operation in water baths. Then reinstalled the thermostat. This probably did nothing...

- sprayed contact cleaner into the holes in the timer casing, and rotated the knob many times. Removed the timer for inspection, and then put it back. This contact cleaner bath is the likely solution to the problem.
WARNING: contact cleaner can soften some plastics, so be careful where it drips (e.g. not on the door parts). It would have been better to take the timer off to spray in the cleaner.

We've only taken the time to successfully run one complete non-stop cycle - so I hope I am not reporting too soon - but we're happy it seems fixed.

We had suspected the timer, but we wanted some confirmation before ordering the part. So we were all set up to measure current and voltage on the various wires during the cycle, but that's when it started working. What we measured was:
- using a clamping ammeter to measure the AC current through the main power cord, we could see ~10 Amps during the timer segments (e.g. 19-23) when the heater was on.
- using a voltmeter, we could see 120V across the heater during this same segments. Clearly the heater was working again, and indeed the cycle completed without stopping.
- we had planned to test the current/voltage at the GYBK wire between u-4a (timer) and e5-1(flow switch), and then the RED (not WHGN as diagram says) between e5-4(flow switch) and r1(heater), but when the heater was clearly working, there was no need to prove that the timer sent power to the flow switch via the GYBK wire, and then that the flow switch sent power to the heater via the Red wire.
- we had already verified that thermostat f5 near the heater was closed at room temperature, so that would be operating properly to allow current to the heater as long as the flow switch was activated by the timer.

Understanding the wiring was made possible by reading diagrams 41-43 from this page:
Tech circuit diagram uc/u01 replacement parts for Bosch SHU4022 UC/06 | AppliancePartsPros.com

Thanks to this site for hosting this forum, and posting info such as these diagrams so that people can troubleshoot problems, and keep old dishwashers out of the dump before their time.:)
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