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Old 11-28-2012, 12:35 PM
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Model Number: LSR7233EQO   Brand: Whirlpool   Age: More than 10 years   

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The washer runs through each cycle until the spin after wash and spin rinse. At this point the washer basket sits empt of water and motionless while making a droning sound, if I lift the lid and reclose the lid the washer will go into the spin.
This happens after each drain and will not go into spin intil the lid is opened and immedidiatly reclosed.

I have replaced the timer to no avail. I now have two timers for this machine and still have the above problem!

Any ideas as to what this could be. What does the capacitor do? If it has to do with kick starting the solenoid that changes the transmission position could this be the culprit?

Thank in advance


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Old 11-28-2012, 03:12 PM
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When the washer first starts draining, it's not supposed to spin. After a minute or two of drain, the motor should pause for a few seconds and then start again at which time it should drain and spin. If it doesn't pause, it's a timer problem. If it does, but still doesn't spin there may be a problem with the neutral drain mechanism in the gearcase. The capacitor is for providing a phase shift in the current applied to the start winding to make the motor start rotating. As soon as the motor starts, it is switched out of the circuit.

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What is this "neutral drain mechanism" and where is it?
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It prevents the washer from going into spin mode after agitate mode to allow the tub to drain first. During drain, the gearcase main drive gear is turning but the spin gear is not (it's effectively in neutral). When the motor pauses after drain, a latch on the neutral drain mechanism releases allowing the spin pawl to engage the spin gear. It's located inside the gearcase.

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It prevents the washer from going into spin mode after agitate mode to allow the tub to drain first. During drain, the gearcase main drive gear is turning but the spin gear is not (it's effectively in neutral). When the motor pauses after drain, a latch on the neutral drain mechanism releases allowing the spin pawl to engage the spin gear. It's located inside the gearcase.

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Thanx Eric

After wash or rinse this model pauses and then begins to spin while draining until the water is gone, it then should pause and then go into an extraction spin.this is where the tub sits with an undulating drone. It will continue this way until ether I open and re-close the lid or the timer moves to the next cycle skipping the extract after wash drain. This also occurs after final rinse has drained and the tub pauses it should again go into an extraction spin while spraying intermittently but it does not and the cloths are wet because this spin did not occur while the intermittent spray occurs and the timer times out at the end of the wash cycle with wet cloths.

What causes the latch on the neutral drain mechanism to release?

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Can't find the tech sheet for your model. Can you provide clear readable pic's of the wiring diagram and timer chart? Should be located behind control panel or inside main cabinet.

If it's spinning and draining immediately after agitation then the neutral drain isn't working properly. Common problem with older washers. The latch is disengaged by centripetal force when the neutral plate stops spinning due to the motor stopping.

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What will cause the latch to not release? worn, clogged. is it internal or external? How does one check the state of this device?

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The link doesn't work for me. There's more to it than just the latch. The neutral drain consists of the neutral drain plate, spin pawl, spin pawl stud, trip lever, latch and spin gear cam. All this comes in a neutral drain kit and you just replace all of it. Usually, it's the trailing edge of the spin pawl that's worn down so the spin pawl never gets pulled far enough away from the spin gear drive boss to prevent spinning. You have to remove the gearcase, remove the clutch, open the gearcase cover, remove the spin gear, replace the neutral drain parts, clean the mating surfaces of the gearcase and cover (there is no preformed gasket, you use gasket sealant), and put it back together.

You seem to have two problems, no neutral drain and no spin during certain parts of the cycle. Your second symptom doesn't make any sense to me.

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None of this makes sense! The machine works as designed except for the end of each successful drain, after wash and rinse, something hangs up until the lid is opened and immediately re-closed!

I see the capacitor is in the start winding but the centrifugal switch is in line with the hi and lo windings. Could this centrifugal switch be the culprit?

I found the contacts to be burnt and possibly not making contact at each closure upon motor stop. I burnished the contacts and replaced the centrifugal switch. This corrected the above problem!! Want to see how long this fix will last. I'll be looking for a new centrifugal switch in the mean time!!
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Check post for the solution to the no spin I had!
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