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manimal  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:57:21 AM(UTC)
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Kenmore model 70 has no heat. Last year, I replaced the themal cutoff switch after losing heat. At the time, I was able to locate the open circuit at the cutoff switch, replaced it, and all was well.

Now, I have no heat, but the coil is receiving 240v as normal. Coil reads out 10.5 ohms, and is listed as 7.5-11.5 as within normal range.

For measure, I have bypassed thermostat and thermal cutoff - no help. Coil still receives 240v, but does not heat up.

It seems as if the coil is bad, but how would it be measuring the correct resistance if it's toast? I'm not an electrician, I don't know!

Also, worth noting is that I have measured coil input with main ground input. When grounding to the coil housing, it only appears to have 120v. Don't know if this is normal.
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Gene  
#2 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:04:46 PM(UTC)
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Can you be more specific on how did you check the voltage to the coil? Have you removed the wires from the coil prior to do it?

What is the complete model number of the dryer?

Gene.
manimal  
#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:28:19 PM(UTC)
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Sorry about the model number. It's a Kenmore Series 70, model no. 66722694.

I checked input voltage to the coil by first grounding multimeter to the dryer's main ground off of incoming AC, then probed positive at both of the external coil terminals. Both showed good 240v. Also probed positive inside the coil housing to eliminate possibility of bad connection - this also showed good 240v passing through the coil.

Thermostats, thermal cutoff switch, and coil all passed continuity tests - has me stumped!

The original problem that I was trying to solve was an extremely long cycle. I had thought that the selector/timer assembly was broken, but it was at this point that I noticed the coil was not coming on and there was no heat.

The timer motor still works fine when set on timed dry, and all other positions appear to operate normally. However, last few nights the "auto dry" setting had the dryer running for well over several hours. I believe this is due to the coil not coming on.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:39:46 PM(UTC)
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Remove the terminal cover (#1 on the diagram). Measure the voltage at the terminal block (the dryer door open) between the central wire (neutral) and each end wire. It suppose to read about 120 VAC. Measure the voltage between the end wires. It suppose to read about 240 VAC. Post the results.

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manimal  
#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 24, 2010 2:48:13 PM(UTC)
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Correct, neutral to either end wire was 120v, end to end was 240v.

Also, when measuring voltage at the coil terminals, as mentioned earlier, I was doing so with dryer running.
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#6 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2010 12:04:56 AM(UTC)
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Disconnect the wires from the heating element and check it for continuity between each terminal and the ground.

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#7 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2010 4:07:27 AM(UTC)
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[COLOR="Blue"]I checked input voltage to the coil by first grounding multimeter to the dryer's main ground off of incoming AC, then probed positive at both of the external coil terminals. Both showed good 240v. Also probed positive inside the coil housing to eliminate possibility of bad connection - this also showed good 240v passing through the coil.[/COLOR]

I may be missing something but if I read the above correctly something weird is going on.

If one meter lead is on the unit's frame/ground, then you should not be able to measure 240 volts. When referenced to ground the max you shoud see is 120 volts.
Sounds like the unit may not be properly grounded.

If you see 240 volts at both sides of the heating coil then there will be 0 volts across the coil it so it will not heat.

You must measure across the coil.

If a 3 wire hook-up. I would check that the unit has a ground strap from Neutral (center terminal on the unit's terminal strip) to it's frame.

If a 4 wire hook-up. I would check that the line cord's ground wire (usually green or bare) is connected to the unit's frame and that there is not a ground strap from Neutral to the frame.
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manimal  
#8 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2010 6:59:56 AM(UTC)
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Let me explain.. I'm not used to working with 240v so I'm not sure what I'm supposed to see. At first, when probing positive at the coil terminals, and using the unit frame for ground, I saw 120v at the coil. Then, when using the ground terminal on the incoming AC for ground, I see 240v at the coil. I wasn't sure which was the right way to check it.


Will check for continuity at ground.

Should I be seeing less voltage on one side of the coil?
manimal  
#9 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2010 8:38:26 AM(UTC)
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Well.. If nothing else I figured one thing out. I pulled out the coil assembly and wired it up to a test wire and plugged it in. It heated up. Coil is fine, it's something else. Continuing on.
manimal  
#10 Posted : Thursday, February 25, 2010 9:06:14 AM(UTC)
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Looks like I might have found the problem. Pulled the timer assembly and opened it up. The contacts for main positive (RED) are completely burnt out. Probably enough for multimeter to show 120v, but not enough current passing through. If I can't fix up the timer, I'll replace it.
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