[awanabug]

I understand what you are saying. What I mean is I would need to go out & buy a thermometer and then run the test. Since I already know it is not hot enough, and I already know the top element does not cycle on and off, (on either bake or preheat) and I already know the top element works ok on broil, and I already know the bottom element works as it always has, and I already know the sensor checks out ok according to the test requirements, it seems like checking the temperature is not going to get me any info that I don't already have.

Not trying to be argumentative, just trying to use all of the info I already have and find out what else I might check and how to check it.